Birthing the Psychedelic Society, ‘Bad Trips’ at Parties and The Evolution of Mental Health with Mishka Latib and Nicholas Stubbs

Today’s episode is as close to home as it gets for us.

Myself (Nicholas Stubbs) and PsySoc SA founder Mishka Latib have a conversation that covers many important but less spoken experiences that people new to the psychedelic space often find themselves in.

We go from giving our two cents on what to do if you find yourself having a ‘bad trip’ at a party, all the way into the depths of Mishka’s unbelievable life story so far.

The journey that lead Mishka to where she is now is one that should be heard by everyone going through any kind of struggle. The fact that she not only made it through, but has since developed into one of the most clear-headed and empowered people I know, is evidence that darkness precedes the light if you’re willing to face it.

We hope you enjoy this conversation!


- Mishka’s profound personal journey with plant medicine

- Where the Psychedelic society came from and where we see it going

- The new paradigm of healing

- Is plant medicine for you?

- How to deal with a ‘bad trip’ at a party

- The limitations and dangers of psychedelics

- The dark night of the soul which often accompanies healing

- The importance of finding a facilitator who ‘speaks your language’

- Surrendering and having the courage to become yourself

- Microdosing

- African and Western perspectives on plant medicine


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Maaz Si – The Intersection of Sufism and Psychedelics

Maaz has worked extensively with indigenous plant medicines and knowledge systems. Combining Islamic Sufi Mysticism with the medicine (Nixi-Pae/Ayahuasca) of the native Huni Kuin people from Brazil.

As you’ll hear, Maaz is a man with a life-long calling to work with Ayahuasca, but also to reignite and integrate ancient knowledge systems back into society to reinstate harmony with ourselves and nature.

I first met Maaz at a Nixi-Pae (Ayahuasca) ceremony. I was astounded by his extensive knowledge and wisdom about plants and fungi as well has his ability to articulate the spiritual dimension of the experiences that they bring about.

His ability to remain so centered and composed after drinking copious amounts of Ayahuasca and hold space in the strong, elegant way that he does made me feel like I was Frodo fighting alongside Legolas.

I have since learned that this energy shines through Maaz in all that he does, and I am so grateful that he agreed to share some of it with us in this episode.

In this episode, we talk about:

-  The Intersection of Sufism and Plant Medicine

-  Maaz’ life changing first experience with Ayahuasca, and the journey he’s been on ever since

-  How Maaz Combines the teachings of the Sufi’s and the Huni Kuin

-  The risk of charlatans in the medicine world

-  How to know if you’re being called to serve medicine

-  Ayahuasca vs Mushrooms

-  Why some people don’t have visions in Ayahuasca ceremonies

-  What is surrender and is it the only thing we need to do in ceremony?

-  Maaz recommends some tools for preparation and integration to support journeys


Reconnecting to Our Inner Healer with Gui Tantan

Insights from a veteran Brazilian spiritual psychologist

Marijuana Paranoia, Clown Medicine and Family Constellations

Gui is a trained spiritual psychologist, family constellations teacher, interpreter and natural born clown from Brazil.

He has been working with a wide range of plant medicines and healing modalities, mainly Ayahuasca in Brazil and South Africa, for about 30 years now.

He likes to talk down the idea of having a Dharma or purpose, but he is clearly a man in full alignment with his own.

With the wisdom of an elder and the wonder of child, Gui brings his spirit of lightness and laughter to this conversation, making it an absolute delight to listen to!


In this episode:
- Gui’s life path up until now
- How Gui came out of his shell as a shy young boy
- Gui’s involvement in the Santo Daime
- Death as the ultimate way to connect
- The alchemy of laughter
- 1 on 1 medicine sessions vs group ceremonies
- Family Constellations
- How psychedelics help release trauma
- The Medicine of Unity (San Pedro, peyote and Psilocybin, Ayahuasca and honey all mixed into one!)
- The healing potential of Marijuana. (The paranoia is the medicine working!)
- Psychedelic Therapy as a way to connect us back to our Inner Healers
- And a whole lot more…

Find Gui on Instagram or LinkedIn. If you want to learn more about Shamanic Family Constellations, check here
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Françoise Bourzat on Becoming a Guide, How Mushrooms Heal and Celebration

A communion with a world leading psychedelic guide trainer.

Consciousness Medicine

Françoise Bourzat is a world leading psychedelic guide trainer. With over 30 years of experience combining indigenous wisdom with modern knowledge, she is truly at the forefront of the psychedelic renaissance and we could think of no one else we would rather have at the helm.

It is such an honor to have Francoise on the podcast. To be honest, we were quite surprised when she responded to our invite. After reading her book Consciousness Medicine, I felt a sense of deep comfort knowing that someone is doing this work in a way that acknowledges every aspect of being human and integrates the best of the old with the new ways with so much love and integrity that it feels like she’s giving you a big hug through the pages. 

And thats exactly what this episode is. A big warm hug.

We hope you enjoy this one as much as we did.

Thank you Francoise!

In this conversation:

What can the indigenous and modern ways learn from eachother?

The importance of celebration in the healing process

Preparation and Integration

What qualifies the guide?

The loving approach to the commodification of these medicines

How do mushrooms actually heal?

Why making the decision to heal is 50% of the journey

Links to Francoise Work:

Françoise is the co-founder of the Center for Consciousness Medicine, which is looking to become a world leading organization in training reputable psychedelic guides. Interested in becoming a trained psychedelic therapist? Check it out.

Françoise’s Book, Consciousness Medicine : Indigenous Wisdom, Psychedelic Therapy, and the Path of Transformation: A Practitioner's Guide is the first book I've read that simultaneously feels like a text book, an adventure novel and a love letter at the same time. Highly recommended for anyone anywhere on the medicine path.

Follow Françoise on Instagram @francoise_bourzat and the Center for Consciousness Medicine @centerforconsciousnessmedicine

She leads mushroom ceremonies and retreats for parents who have lost their children, in Jamaica

If you want to hear more of Françoise, checkout her recent podcast with Tim Ferris

Ayahuasca, Vision Quests and Giving Back with Liesl Kruger

A conversation with an elder.

From Tax Lawyer to Prestigious Medicine Woman

Liesl Kruger is one of the most respected people in the plant medicine world of South Africa.

With 18 years of training under various teachers from different traditions in Mexico and Brazil, working deeply with an extensive range of plant medicines such as Ayahuasca, Mushrooms, Peyote, San Pedro, Bufo and more, she has much wisdom to share on a range of topics.

Liesl is now focused on facilitating plant medicine ceremonies, mainly Ayahuasca, as well as the Vision Quest, an initiatory rite of passage in which participants isolate themselves on a mountain for 4 days and nights with no food or water in search of a vision.

Not only a bridge between ancient and modern ways of being, but also between the different generations, Liesl is somewhat of a mother to those searching for healing and seeking to find their way.

  • - Liesl’s journey on the medicine path 

  1. - Thoughts on the current psychedelic psychotherapy movement 
  2. - Advice for those curious about working with these medicines 
  3. - The importance of giving back to the communities that these medicines come from 
  4. - Tobacco as the original medicine 
  5. - The Vision Quest 
  6. - The necessity of discomfort for healing
  7. - Healing little traumas and the self limiting beliefs that stem from them 
  8. - The value of initatory practices for the next stage in life 
  9. - And much more...

You can find Liesl here: 

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Psilocybin Laws in South Africa with Attorney Paul-Michael Keichel

The man who legalised marijuana in South Africa now has his sights set on magic mushrooms.

Psychedelics are a Human Right

"I think it is one of the most immoral things that has ever happened to western society - that the attempt by people to better themselves has been shunned and criminalized."

Paul-Michael Keichel is a force to be reckoned with.

He is an internationally recognized and well respected lawyer at Schindler’s Attorneys.

If you’re looking for someone to thank for the legalisation of marijuana in South Africa, he is your guy. With a vast range of knowledge, a bright intellect and razor-sharp wit, he is exactly the type of person that you want on your side of the court room.

And he is currently spearheading the case to reschedule psilocybin (magic mushrooms) in South Africa.

It is an honour to present to you such an important conversation with the legendary Paul-Michael Keichel.


·  The current legal status of psilocybin in South Africa

·  How we ended up putting magic mushrooms and crack in the same schedule

·  Nate’s journey of healing his depression with psychedelics

·  Similarities between the Marijuana and Psilocybin cases

·  The argument for the decriminalization of psilocybin

·  Paul-Michael’s personal relationship with psychedelics

·  PMK’s estimation of when we might see psilocybin legalized

·  The Backfire effect: why pushing psychedelics (or anything) on people is counterproductive

·  Book recommendations on the topic

·  Can children take psychedelics?

·  Debugging unhelpful mental code

·  The difference between the Shaman and the Psychiatrist


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Resources mentioned:

Michael Pollan's How to Change Your Mind

Steven Kotler's Stealing Fire

Graham Hancock

Brian Muraresku's The Immortality Key

Checkout this awesome article that Paul-Michael wrote on changing South Africa's mind on psychedelics

Mushrooms, Unflinching Trust and Online Ceremonies with Monica Cromhout

On the first ever episode of The Psychedelic Society South Africa Podcast, our host Nate Maingard interviews the ‘mushroom grandmother’, Monica Cromhout.

Mushrooms, Unflinching Trust and Online Ceremonies with Monica Cromhout

On the first ever episode of The Psychedelic Society South Africa Podcast, our host Nate Maingard interviews the 'mushroom grandmother', Monica Cromhout.

Monica has a kind of innocence and a very deep and organic sense of trust in life, and in that way is truly a phenomenal embodiment of the spirit of the mushrooms.

She shares her unbelievable story, from her stumbling into Ayahuasca in a Graham Hancock book to hosting more people for mushroom ceremonies than anyone else in South Africa. 

Topics Covered Include:

- Monica's ongoing experience of spearheading the court case to change the unconstitutional laws around psilocybin mushrooms in South Africa.

- Why she thinks that the psychedelic renaissance is the most important thing happening right now.

- How free falling into your depression is an essential part of your healing.

- The surprisingly successful global online ceremonies that have been taking place since COVID.

- Much more!

A true hero of the modern times, we are so honoured to present you with Monica Cromhout as our first guest. Please sit back, relax and enjoy!

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